24 Questions for Charismatics and followers of Todd Bentley

Source – Defending Contending

This post is for Todd Bentley supporters and all Charismatics. I have 25 questions for you and would like serious answers only. If you should choose to take up this challenge I have only one condition; that you don’t just pick and choose the questions you want to answer (much like many do with verses of Scripture) but if you want to answer one, I request that you take a stab at them all.

These questions will require the use of your Bible and some will only seek your opinion. Are you up to the task? If so, let’s begin:

1). If a modern-day prophet says one thing and the Bible says another (opposing/opposite) which do you follow?

2). Why if God spoke “long ago” through prophets, but now in the last days speaks to us through His Son (Hebrews 1:1) do we still chase after men like Todd Bentley?

3). If the temple veil was ripped in two (Matthew 27:51) and God is not to be found in any one particular place on earth (Acts 7:48), but is now available to any true believer anywhere, why must we go to a certain church, event or venue in order to “come get some?”

4). God sent prophets to the Jews up until the 400 years of silence preceding Jesus Christ, (whom to this day the Jews still reject). Why don’t those who know the standard of prophets best (the Jewish people) continue to “raise up” and chase after prophets like the Charismatics do continually? Why do the Jews continue to patiently wait for their Messiah (which they missed 2,000 years ago) while the Charismatics keep chasing after the next big prophet? What do the Jews understand about a true prophet of God that Charismatics seem to keep missing?

5). Why if the Church is instructed in 1 Corinthians 14:40 to conduct itself “properly and in an orderly manner” do Charismatics refuse to accept this and instead we see the antics, shenanigans, and circus-like atmosphere in these self-proclaimed movements of God?

6). When Charismatics use the “my God is the same yesterday, today and forever” argument in the context that they commonly use it, why do they then no longer stone false prophets to death?

7). Why do Charismatics keep proclaiming the coming of a great revival in these last days when this is in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God which says that a great falling away will occur in the last days (2 Thessalonians 2:3)? Where does it say that the return of Christ is preceded by a great healing revival?

8). Pharisees and Sadducees tested Jesus asking Him to show them a sign (Matthew 16:1, Luke 11:16, John 2:18, John 6:30). Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?

9). Why do those seeking a sign in Mark 8:11-12 cause Jesus to “sigh deeply in His Spirit”?

10). Why are those seeking signs and wonders (Matthew 12:38-39, Matthew 16:4, Luke 11:29) referred to by Jesus as evil, wicked, and adulterous?

11). Was Jesus saying the need to see signs and wonders was a good thing in John 4:48?

12). Was Paul implying the need to see signs was a good thing in 1 Corinthians 1:22?

13). Why do Charismatics always use Peter’s sermon in Acts chapter 2 (quoting Joel) to justify the tongues and prophecies they perform while excluding the other events like the sun turning dark and the moon turning to blood (v. 20)?

14). If it is God’s will that we should be healthy and wealthy, why did Paul suffer so much (2 Corinthians 11:23-27, 12:7-10)?

15). Isn’t seeking to be healthy, wealthy, and comfortable in this life a direct contradiction to God’s way of testing the faith of a believer and producing endurance in the life of a believer (James 1:2-4)?

16). Jesus addressed the fact that we are not greater than He, and since He suffered, we (true Christians) should expect the same (John 15:20, Matthew 10:24-25). Why do Charismatics ignore this and cling to the false notion that any suffering is of the Devil?

17). Why do the only two prophets directly referred to in Scripture in the last days (Revelation 11) perform no healings? Instead they do exactly the opposite of what all the “prophets” of today do; the very things most Charismatics would say is from the Devil. Why is that?

18). Why does the Bible repeatedly identify the existence of and warn us about false prophets (Matthew 7:15, 24:11, 24:24, Mark 13:22, Luke 6:26, Acts 13:6, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1, etc.)?

19). In the end many false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders to mislead many (Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22). Why do most Charismatics refuse to accept this, and if they do accept it, they never accept that this could be referring to their favorite prophet?

20). Is there any “sign and wonder” that you can point to that is false/counterfeit from Satan? Or do all “signs and wonders” come from God only?

21). Can Satan and his servants appear as “good” or do they always come to us as easily identifiable “bad” spirits (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)?

22). Is the great and visible sign performed in Revelation 13:13 a good thing from God or a counterfeit from Satan?

23). Can Satan and those in accord with his activity perform signs and wonders and exhibit power (Exodus 7:11-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:9)?

24). What is the more common theme of the Bible regarding the prophets with accompanying signs and wonders?

A). The presence of signs and wonders are proof of them being true prophets of God.

B). That false prophets will mislead many and they will use signs and wonders.

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8 Responses to “24 Questions for Charismatics and followers of Todd Bentley”

  1. Dan Curant Says:

    I appreciate your eagerness to see that all that we do conforms to the Scripture. I will make an effort to humbly answer your questions as best I can.

    1. We should follow the Bible.

    2. I do not know of anyone who should “chase after” Todd Bentley. I am not sure what your point is here. Todd makes it very clear that we should follow the Scripture and that he is a flawed and humble vessel who is being used of God to preach the gospel and lead many to Christ. We should all be rejoicing over that, of course. I do not see anybody chasing after him, perhaps you can give me more detail.

    3. I am not sure what your question is here. In the Scripture, people went to many different locations to touch God. The pool at Bethesda is one example. Acts 19:12 says people touched things that had touched Paul and were healed. In the Old Testament, it says that many nations will flow to Jerusalem. The principle that one could go to a geographical place to receive something from the Lord is well established in Scripture and is not something new.

    4. Many people are eager to see the Jews of today respond to the Scripture and to the demands of Christ. Until they do, I am not sure why we should expect them to be a great source of discernment.

    5. I have not seen anything indecent or disorderly occur in these meetings. They are well-organized, there is worship, teaching, and the people are well behaved. So I would need a little more detail from you in order to understand what you think is indecent or disorderly that is going on.

    6. The New Testament says, “Let the prophets speak, and let the others judge.” That is clearly different from the Old Testament guidance. Even the Old Testament guidance, if you look at it carefully, is not as it is commonly interpreted. Nineveh did not fall as prophesied by Jonah. Are you saying that he should have been stoned?

    7. The Scripture says clearly that many will come to the Lord in the last days. The fact that there is also a falling away does not negate the fact that there can be a revival.

    8. I think that Jesus was looking at their motives. Obviously, he was performing signs and wonders. But it certainly appears that Jesus was looking at the motives of the Pharisees. Even today, in the church, we have current day “Pharisees” who question everything, not with a humble heart, but with the intent to destroy that which God is doing. In my experience, those who are healthy skeptics will test things and try them by the Scripture. Those who are quick to believe such things and do not try them by the Scripture may not be deeply rooted. Unhealthy skeptics, such as the Pharisees, start from an unhealthy motive and will do whatever they can to find fault.

    9. I am not sure what your point is here – I do not know what the motives of these people are, or who you are comparing them to. Certainly you are not comparing them to those who preach the gospel the same way Jesus did, along with signs and wonders and healings.

    10. Again, it is not clear what your question is. I think this refers to people who are trying to discredit what God is doing and are always asking for some sort of proof, rather than taking a healthy skepticism. A healthy skeptic would look at what is happening in Lakeland and ask some questions: Are people being saved? Is the Word of God being preached? Are the lives of people being changed in a healthy way? And I think a healthy skeptic, seeing what is happening there, would conclude that this is a good thing and would support it.

    11. It seems to me that your questions eight through twelve are basically the same thing. I am not sure what you’re looking for here, perhaps you can provide me more detail.

    12. See answer to 11.

    13. The question of tongues has pretty much been settled in the church. In the world there are 500,000,000 people who have been saved as a result of the Pentecostal and charismatic movements. So if you are still opposing the gift of tongues, you may be correct, but there are not enough people joining you to make that question worth asking right now. The Scripture is pretty clear that the gift of tongues is an appropriate gift for the believer to use.

    14. Jesus went around healing people, so I think it is pretty obvious that God likes people to be healed. And Jesus got very frustrated with the Pharisees who blamed him for healing on the Sabbath. He got very angry with people who did not seem to understand that God wants people healed more than he wants some sort of legalistic compliance with some people’s perceptions of the law. You will have to explain to me how the question of “wealthy” applies to Lakeland.

    15. It is pretty clear Jesus wanted people to be healthy, or else he would not have spent so much time healing people.

    16. I am not sure why you believe that charismatics teach that suffering is of the devil. I have never seen that teaching. Jesus believe that people should be healed, obviously, since he spent a lot of time doing it.

    17. I do not know why the two prophets perform no healings. I think there are many people who have many gifts but do not perform healings. This does not mean that nobody should have a gift of healing, since Jesus did it, and since the gift is mentioned in the New Testament. I see no reason to delete that one from our Bibles.

    18. Jesus did warn us about the Pharisees, and their evil motives, and how in their legalistic way they would try to destroy what God was doing, and do it in the name of the Scriptures. The Scriptures also say to test people by their fruit. In Lakeland, many many people are getting saved and their lives are being changed by the gospel. If our test is fruit, then it is very obvious that God is moving there.

    19. The Scripture says, to let the prophets speak and let the others judge. The Bible is always the test of what the prophets say, and the Lord Jesus also said that we can test people by the fruit of their ministry. Are people being saved? Are people being taught to walk with the Lord? And he told John the Baptist, when John wondered, the sick are being healed, and the gospel is being preached to the poor. It doesn’t get any better than that. What he was describing is happening in Lakeland today.

    20. I’m not sure if this is a serious question — obviously, the Scripture says that not all signs and wonders are from God. The magicians of Egypt appeared to be capable of some. Signs and wonders that lead us to Christ are from God. If the signs and wonders in Lakeland were not from God, they would not be leading people to Christ, and they certainly are doing that, since so many are getting saved at these meetings and testifying to what God has done in their lives, with great joy. As Jesus said, it would be pretty stupid of Satan to cast out Satan. Thousands are testifying that the evil influences of the enemy are being shaken off of their lives in Lakeland. They are glorifying the name of the Lord. I cannot imagine why anyone would not be excited about this.

    21. It is clear from the Scripture that Satan can appear as an angel of light. What he would certainly not do would be to appear calling upon people to turn to the Lord, as is being done in Lakeland. He would not appear to ask people to worship the Lord and exercise their faith in Him.

    22. I assume this is not a serious question.

    23. I think you asked that already.

    24. It is clear that the Scripture said that the followers of Jesus will preach the word with signs following. It is quite unfortunate those who do not have signs following would seek to oppose those who do. I do not understand this.

    I appreciate your zeal for the Lord, and your devotion to the Scripture. I encourage you to be a healthy skeptic! May you patiently insist that the real questions of your heart be answered. It is not wrong to ask the questions that you are asking. I hope that you will continue to seek the Lord and seek to have the real questions of your heart answered in this, and if I’ve been able to help at all, I am grateful for the opportunity.

    God bless –

    Dan

  2. 1). If a modern-day prophet says one thing and the Bible says another (opposing/opposite) which do you follow?
    The Bible. That was easy.
    2). Why if God spoke “long ago” through prophets, but now in the last days speaks to us through His Son (Hebrews 1:1) do we still chase after men like Todd Bentley?
    We don’t understand the passage as exclusive. It doesn’t say “only” through His Son. Hebrews 2:3-4 speak of a great salvation, first spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed by those who heard Him, God bearing witness with signs, wonders, miracles and gifts. We hold that God is still bearing witness to his gospel. We are God chasers, not Todd Bentley chasers, but hold that God is still bearing witness of his great salvation in the same way through us.
    3). If the temple veil was ripped in two (Matthew 27:51) and God is not to be found in any one particular place on earth (Acts 7:48), but is now available to any true believer anywhere, why must we go to a certain church, event or venue in order to “come get some?”
    Because we are told to not forsake assembling together, even more as we see the day approaching. (From Hebrews 11:25) We don’t have to go, we want to. We want to be touch by God. We want to see people get healed and saved.
    4). God sent prophets to the Jews up until the 400 years of silence preceding Jesus Christ, (whom to this day the Jews still reject). Why don’t those who know the standard of prophets best (the Jewish people) continue to “raise up” and chase after prophets like the Charismatics do continually? Why do the Jews continue to patiently wait for their Messiah (which they missed 2,000 years ago)
    You will have to ask the Jews about their religion. (You lied to me, you said only 25 questions, there are three questions within Question 4.) I forgive you.
    while the Charismatics keep chasing after the next big prophet? What do the Jews understand about a true prophet of God that Charismatics seem to keep missing?
    Charismatics believe 1 Corinthians 14:39 and “desire earnestly to prophesy”.
    5). Why if the Church is instructed in 1 Corinthians 14:40 to conduct itself “properly and in an orderly manner” do Charismatics refuse to accept this and instead we see the antics, shenanigans, and circus-like atmosphere in these self-proclaimed movements of God?
    It’s funny we emphasis the first half of the verse. “Let all things be done.” Let’s make a deal. If the Non-Charismatics will follow the instruction in the rest of chapter 14, we’ll maybe learn from you how to do them properly. Honestly, we need the properly and in order part just like the Corinthian’s did.
    6). When Charismatics use the “my God is the same yesterday, today and forever” argument in the context that they commonly use it, why do they then no longer stone false prophets to death?
    We commonly use the yesterday, today and forever argument to say the gifts are for today. Stoning was a law for the nation of Israel. We eat bacon and shrimp as well because we are not under that old law, but under grace. We are to judge the prophetic (1 Corinthians 14:29) which indicates that some may be judged inaccurate. None of us are without sin, so we don’t cast stones.
    7). Why do Charismatics keep proclaiming the coming of a great revival in these last days when this is in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God which says that a great falling away will occur in the last days (2 Thessalonians 2:3)? Where does it say that the return of Christ is preceded by a great healing revival?
    There will be a great falling away as well as Acts 3:19-21 times of refreshing…until the restoration of all things. Matthew 24:14 This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all of the world…and then the end will come. Most Charismatics hold that evil will get more evil and the righteous will shine brighter.
    There are two question in one again, – I’ll give more grace. I don’t know of a specific biblical reference of a healing revival other than the general Acts 3:21 reference of the restoration of all things. Also an interesting verse Malachi 4:2 The sun of righteousness arises with healing on his wings. Then in verse 3 speaks of THE DAY I do this.
    8). Pharisees and Sadducees tested Jesus asking Him to show them a sign (Matthew 16:1, Luke 11:16, John 2:18, John 6:30). Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?
    It was a bad thing, because he knew their hearts.
    9). Why do those seeking a sign in Mark 8:11-12 cause Jesus to “sigh deeply in His Spirit”? The context states it was because of the leaven (doctrine) of the Pharisees. If he had done a sign they still would not have believed.
    10). Why are those seeking signs and wonders (Matthew 12:38-39, Matthew 16:4, Luke 11:29) referred to by Jesus as evil, wicked, and adulterous?
    They were religious leaders who didn’t believe in the resurrection of the dead.
    11). Was Jesus saying the need to see signs and wonders was a good thing in John 4:48? Believing without seeing is greater than believing because of seeing.
    12). Was Paul implying the need to see signs was a good thing in 1 Corinthians 1:22? No
    13). Why do Charismatics always use Peter’s sermon in Acts chapter 2 (quoting Joel) to justify the tongues and prophecies they perform while excluding the other events like the sun turning dark and the moon turning to blood (v. 20)?
    The sun and the moon didn’t change in Acts 2. It was good enough for Peter to use then. Until the sun and moon change then Joel’s prophesy won’t be completely fulfilled. I think Paul discussing of gifts of tongues and prophecies are much clearer.
    14). If it is God’s will that we should be healthy and wealthy, why did Paul suffer so much (2 Corinthians 11:23-27, 12:7-10)?
    God’s blessing includes health and wealth there are many biblical examples of God making rich and healing. Paul pleaded with the Lord for the thorn to depart, because he believed God would free him. When God said, no, it seams to be the exception not the rule. Paul suffered persecution and difficulties because he took up his cross and followed Christ and the fellowship of his sufferings.
    15). Isn’t seeking to be healthy, wealthy, and comfortable in this life a direct contradiction to God’s way of testing the faith of a believer and producing endurance in the life of a believer (James 1:2-4)?
    Not necessarily but putting health, wealth and comfort as a god is a sin. Walking in the blessings God gives with thanksgiving is normal because we have a good God. Going through a time of testing, like Job, is an important way of deepening faith and producing endurance. Blessed be the name of the Lord. He gives and takes away.
    16). Jesus addressed the fact that we are not greater than He, and since He suffered, we (true Christians) should expect the same (John 15:20, Matthew 10:24-25). Why do Charismatics ignore this and cling to the false notion that any suffering is of the Devil?
    John 15:20 is about persecution. Matthew 10:24-25 is about some saying Jesus is of the devil, how much more will call those of his household. Charismatics are currently experiencing Matthew 10:24-25 because they are doing Matthew 10:8 “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.” Sickness is the result of the fall. We see sickness as a gift from God. We cling to a good God and fight a bad Devil.
    17). Why do the only two prophets directly referred to in Scripture in the last days (Revelation 11) perform no healings? Instead they do exactly the opposite of what all the “prophets” of today do; the very things most Charismatics would say is from the Devil. Why is that?
    Because they are instruments of Judgment it seams after the age of grace is over. It is interesting that they are raised from the dead. We operate under 1 Corinthians 14:3 edification, exhortation and comfort to men.
    18). Why does the Bible repeatedly identify the existence of and warn us about false prophets (Matthew 7:15, 24:11, 24:24, Mark 13:22, Luke 6:26, Acts 13:6, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1, etc.)?
    Because of Joseph Smith and many other that abandon the Bible for another gospel. Please don’t lump Charismatics in with cults that deny Jesus is the Chirst.
    19). In the end many false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders to mislead many (Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22). Why do most Charismatics refuse to accept this, and if they do accept it, they never accept that this could be referring to their favorite prophet?
    We hold for there to be false prophets, there must also be true ones. It doesn’t say all prophets are false, does it? Mormon’s, Jehovah’s Witnesses and other are false prophets because they deny Jesus Christ as the way, the truth and the life. None of our favorite prophets deny the faith, if they did they would be rejected as false. We embrace a mystical, supernatural steam of genuine Christianity.
    20). Is there any “sign and wonder” that you can point to that is false/counterfeit from Satan? Or do all “signs and wonders” come from God only?
    New Age healing are counterfeits, witchcraft, psychic readings. There is tons of false demonic powers.
    21). Can Satan and his servants appear as “good” or do they always come to us as easily identifiable “bad” spirits (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)? They can appear as good but 1 John 2:23 says “he who acknowledges the Son has the Father”
    22). Is the great and visible sign performed in Revelation 13:13 a good thing from God or a counterfeit from Satan? Bad
    23). Can Satan and those in accord with his activity perform signs and wonders and exhibit power (Exodus 7:11-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:9)? Yes
    24). What is the more common theme of the Bible regarding the prophets with accompanying signs and wonders?
    There is probably more warning of the false.
    A). The presence of signs and wonders are proof of them being true prophets of God.
    B). That false prophets will mislead many and they will use signs and wonders.

  3. It might be helpful to point out or make an entry that makes some distinguishing remarks. I have many charismatic friends and they seem like really Godly people and I see no connection to the craziness of Todd Bentley.

    I have seen churches that have a service that is orderly and well done and God glorifying. They might have someone who speaks in tongues or some of other thing take place. But beyond that there is order and seem to keep things in perspective.

    I think it would be unfair to compare them all to the Todd Bentley stuff that is more like something we might see within a cult. The kind of hypnotic frenzy that those crowds are worked into are something similar to the demonic activities of some African tribes with the uncontrolled laughter, barking and falling down. Those are things that to me go beyond just charismatic and maybe just viewing scripture differently and go into the area of evil. What Bentley is doing is against scripture and does not even come close to the scriptural examples of certain spiritual gifts.

    I am not giving you a hard time of it. Matter of fact your questions for the charismatic movement are good ones but I think it would be unfair to lump them all with the obvious mad ravings of Bentley.

  4. Justin Peters (http://www.justinpeters.org) was on Way of the Master Radio with Todd Friel on this:

    A pastor pronounced “healed” by Todd Bentley Dies 8 Days Later.-Pastor Justin Peters contacted 7 people who went up on stage and said they felt the power of God go through them, but Todd Bentley proclaimed them healed, and none of the 7 …

    filesfromtoni – http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/

    Justin holds seminars on the Word of Faith movement and spoke at my church and comes highly recommended by my Pastor, Dr. John MacArthur.

    On his site he has a brief presentation of his seminar given at Southwestern Theological Seminary… very good stuff!

  5. Crystal Says:

    What man of GOD walks around with all those earrings in his skin? If Todd Bentley is a man of GOD, why is he on-stage telling people that GOD is telling him to kick and punch people. Where in the Bible did CHRIST or the APOSTLES do these things. And while CHRIST did heal a lot of people, he never healed PAUL but, PAUL wrote the majority of the new testament.

  6. Hi All,

    May I first say that I some of my closest friends are charismatic and they are really for the Lakeland movement and God moving. We have recently had discussions regarding this and we do clearly disagree. The point is I love these brethen and know they have a love for God and they come on the street and evangelise with me and share the good news with the lost.

    I wish no ill feeling to Todd and have said to the Lord to bless this if this is from him. But I am a little confused by all this – as I see a beginning of division and we must unite as one in Christ. Jesus did clearly say about false prophets and not everyone who said to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But on the other hand said that signs would follow them that believe…….. I think its wonderful to see miracles and I love that. I have really researched into this and dont think its healthy to go on witch hunts, but we are certainly called to be discerning. Satan always divides. Can a house divided against itself stand? Question is do we get on the band wagon so quickly with every movement without first testing and trying the spirits.

    We should measure up all things against the Word – but not become legalistic and too black and white. I understand what Paul said now when he said to study…..2 Tim 2:15

    After all the miracles and calling on angels. I am sure that there are many arguments (debates) on both sides – it has led me to confusion in who is right and who is wrong. But two things that hurt me and alarm me are this:

    1) Drunkeness in the spirit. I cannot tolerate this as I see the Holy Spirit Our God and Father as being pure and Holy and this should not be tolerated by any christian worldwide. I think we should tread so carefully not to associate the perfect beauty, Holiness, Awesomeness of God. Worthy is the Lamb. Please do note associate our God with any kind of drunkeness or unholy thing. I also think that we should so carefully when discussing this topic and show respect and reverence to our LORD.

    2) Any association with violence in any ministry should not be tolerated. For a man of God to say that he is instructed by God to kick an old lady in the face and as he did the power of God came – I cannot understand or comprehend this (can you imagine if this became the future benchmark in churchs for our healings and evangelism missions – since when did laying on of hands or just speaking the Word not heal?)………Do we need to discern any further?

    I am praying about this and ask that we all pray for the Lord to show us the truth. I write this not to debate but to ask us to pray and be as one in Christ.

    Our God is holy and righteous let us fear him.
    In Jesus name

    Dear LORD,

    You know the confusion that this has caused me in rightly discerning this and I ask that you show us the truth and forgive us where we have spoken wrongly. Everthing that is pure and holy I see in you and I love you Jesus and do not want me or others to be misled. Please show me and my brothers and sisters the truth. Deliver us from all evil.

    Forgive me If I am wrong and show me if I am wrong and may I always walk in your ways.

    In Jesus name Amen

  7. Steve B Says:

    Hi All,

    May I first say that I some of my closest friends are charismatic and they are really for the Lakeland movement and God moving. We have recently had discussions regarding this and we do clearly disagree. The point is I love these brethen and know they have a love for God and they come on the street and evangelise with me and share the good news with the lost.

    I wish no ill feeling to Todd and have said to the Lord to bless this if this is from him. But I am a little confused by all this – as I see a beginning of division and we must unite as one in Christ. Jesus did clearly say about false prophets and not everyone who said to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But on the other hand said that signs would follow them that believe…….. I think its wonderful to see miracles and I love that. I have really researched into this and dont think its healthy to go on witch hunts, but we are certainly called to be discerning. Satan always divides. Can a house divided against itself stand? Question is do we get on the band wagon so quickly with every movement without first testing and trying the spirits.

    We should measure up all things against the Word – but not become legalistic and too black and white. I understand what Paul said now when he said to study…..2 Tim 2:15

    After all the miracles and calling on angels. I am sure that there are many arguments (debates) on both sides – it has led me to confusion in who is right and who is wrong. But two things that hurt me and alarm me are this:

    1) Drunkeness in the spirit. I cannot tolerate this as I see the Holy Spirit Our God and Father as being pure and Holy and this should not be tolerated by any christian worldwide. I think we should tread so carefully not to associate the perfect beauty, Holiness, Awesomeness of God. Worthy is the Lamb. Please do note associate our God with any kind of drunkeness or unholy thing. I also think that we should so carefully when discussing this topic and show respect and reverence to our LORD.

    2) Any association with violence in any ministry should not be tolerated. For a man of God to say that he is instructed by God to kick an old lady in the face and as he did the power of God came – I cannot understand or comprehend this (can you imagine if this became the future benchmark in churchs for our healings and evangelism missions – since when did laying on of hands or just speaking the Word not heal?)………Do we need to discern any further?

    I am praying about this and ask that we all pray for the Lord to show us the truth. I write this not to debate but to ask us to pray and be as one in Christ.

    Our God is holy and righteous let us fear him.
    In Jesus name

    Dear LORD,

    You know the confusion that this has caused me in rightly discerning this and I ask that you show us the truth and forgive us where we have spoken wrongly. Everthing that is pure and holy I see in you and I love you Jesus and do not want me or others to be misled. Please show me and my brothers and sisters the truth. Deliver us from all evil.

    Forgive me If I am wrong and show me if I am wrong and may I always walk in your ways.

    In Jesus name Amen

  8. Very thought provoking post there. Thank you for highlighting very pertinent issues. I have always been proud to call my self charismatic in private but in public i prefer being called an evangelical christian. It just seems each time a the word “pentecostal” or “charismatic” is mentioned every one even the strongest of believers wants to run for the hills. The unbridled excesses of prosperity gospel in this time and age have bordered coveteousness and flirted with greed. Healing ministries have turned into institutions causing grievious bodily harm and profaned a once gracious gift and brought much disdain to the name of the Lord. Its with great sadness that i say this but i hope we charismatics are not delving into a different gospel. We have faith in faith rather than faith in Gods word…we name and claim…loose and bind but rarely inquire of the Lord first if it be his will. We are sripturally illiterate. Yet do not acknowlege our need; as the zeal for our fathers “earthly blessings” has consumed us.I use the pronoun “we” with great humility.My frustrations are well chronicled in my blog. Feel free to cast a stone or write in the sand.

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